Chat_127 - The Hijacking Bitcoin Debate [Liberty Lockdown]

When a thing has a trillion dollar cap , it won’t keep having hyper growth. 126K pretty much should of been expected. Growth slows every cycle, stop promoting we will randomly have 2013 growth again, it’s silly.

We had a bear cycle bottom of 15K November 2022 & topped at 126K in late 2025. We topped the last quarter of year after having, same time we topped all previous cycles , we do have a 4 year cycle, denying this is silly. All of u keep saying it’s dead but it’s not ,

Deflation or inflation, Bitcoin go up no matter what!!!!! Just price skip talk on every bitcoin podcast, so tired & boring. Just hey no matter what Bitcoin go up, never any critical talk ever

I am running BIP110. And you made an argument against it that made me reconsider. The argument was that BIP110 changes Bitcoin because it allows a minority to force their opinion on the majority. After thinking about it, I do not come to the same conclusion. I don’t think that BIP110 changes anything with respect to this risk. And opposing BIP110 doesn't mitigate that risk. This is a feature of Nakamoto consensus that exists today and will continue to exist regardless of which way BIP110 is resolved. If this risk didn’t already exist today, BIP110 couldn’t leverage it. There are two ways (that I’m aware of) to reject BIP110: 1. Almost all miners refuse to mine BIP110 blocks 2. Those opposing BIP110 exercise a URSF: user rejected soft fork. This effectively splits the chain. If BIP110 is rejected, those will remain the only ways to reject a different minority driven soft fork in Bitcoin. Heck if BIP110 becomes the only type of blocks that miners mine, those will also remain the only ways to reject a different minority driven soft fork in Bitcoin. So opposing BIP110 doesn't mitigate the risk that a minority can control the direction in Bitcoin. That will continue to exist regardless of which side wins. So I’m going to continue to run BIP110 because I think it does mitigate some significant risks for Bitcoin. But I’m willing to have my mind changed. BTW Intransigent minorities are a feature of complex systems not just Bitcoin. Taleb wrote about them in his book Skin in the Game. Here's the relevant chapter discussing it: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dic…

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No. It ripped on Nasdaq being up huge

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Had to clip this for my friend who still says Bitcoin is only fro drugs and illegal activity.

So now we can’t Boost comments? Man I wish I never updated to latest app version :( I really had fun on Fountain and it seems like it was finally working well after early years being buggy but now I can’t boost comments? Sucks. NOSTR Sucks

I hate this NOSTR comment format. Like hate it :(

Anyone else hate that fountain went full NOSTR? now I’m not following half my old peeps. Plus new version keeps glitching like it’s 2 years ago. Just me?

I think you misunderstood the fire movement. They're not trying to get a 25x return. They're trying to reduce their spending so that having a nest egg that is 25x their annual spending is easier. And then live a lifestyle that allows them to withdraw 1/25th (4%) every year. The growth they need to sustain that is to merely match inflation. They don't need 25x to do that.

Also, "Bitcoin is already an index of human incentive" is the most insightful thing I've heard in a while. I'm shamelessly stealing that.

As a PNRI, not all of us are stuck in the fiat mindset. I personally am as all in on Bitcoin as I can be until I actually retire. It's my long term savings. It's my checking. My paycheck goes directly into Bitcoin. We are not beholden to our generational ideas. And it is each of our responsibility to question our assumptions. Which has fed my orange pill.

Keep it up. I learn something new every episode. May even try Monero one of these days.

Monero was 100% a bitcoin fork. Why would u claim it wasn’t ? Weird

Of course USA has defaulted on its debt. Change over to fiat was total default

I wish Thomas 777 had this guys voice and tone. No rahsom angry rants and weird explanations. Have this guest on more! I think he’s wrong about dollars not being recalled as the next 50 years won’t be like last 200 but he explains well all around and he should be a regular! Mega Boost!!!

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How late are these posted? Drains gains? We are over 111K at post time. Chill with having delays from recording to posting.

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Walking it back? How so?

Dude please stop torturing us with the same Ad every 8 minutes

Coffe & a Mic guy? He sounds a lot more chill as a guest

Anyone here that’s new. I will be honest I’ve disagreed with Moe a quite a few things. But I sure appreciate the time and work. Personally my favorite trilogy is episode 44-45-46 go back and listen if your new here and caught on post episode 50. Starting at episode 1 makes most sense but if ur a casual listener I’m telling u 44-46 is a trilogy that should be put on CD and mailed to e dynamical citizens. Good Job Moe! You too Adam!

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Yields are down in USA. You just say random stuff that’s not true. Look at the 2025 chart.

Meant to say filtering. Dyac.

I don't think keeping transactions with op_return > 80 bytes is censorship. In exactly the same way that I don't think letting minors create more than 21 million Bitcoin is censorship. Calling both of those censorship is demagoguery.

Maria was never a never trumper. The money honey has been Trump supporter since 2026. Like hardcore

The Powell spin has got ridiculous to parody label. One of my favorite podcasts but man this argument about Powell has got old and lame.

Now do BHATTACHARYA. U won’t cause u ignore anything that doesn’t back up ur narrative

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Yet I purposely don’t play any clips of the multiple individuals who were against it. So tired of these podcasts selectively editing to ignore things that ruin the narrative

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You have turned into a total propaganda podcast. Unfollowed

What Bitcoin did is no more?

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So tired of these podcasts who spend whole show just making baseless accusations because somebody has a big audience. Either provide evidence or do something useful. Crapping on people who are preaching liberty and freedom just cause u think it’s odd they have a platform is tired she lame……

Anyone we think has a platform is a PcyOp podcast….. lame AF

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Happy New Year! 🎆 enjoyed hearing about the holiday overseas. It’s always a party when someone stabs themselvss 🤣. Cheers my friends! 🥂

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Big shoutout to Shanon! Had a issue with a order and when she got involved it was taken care of asap! Much thanks 🥩

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Love beef initiative! But June please, the sales man thing just advertising every minute is a turn off.

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There is zero chance Trump gets Ron up for a 2028 run. He’s gonna get hurt so Vance barring something crazy. This is fantasy talk

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Gov Ron is never going to be AG in a Trump admin.

Your response to Peter’s question about swearing was great. It made me realize that I don’t hear crude and vulgar language on your podcast unlike so many others. ( My parents taught me that intelligent people don’t have to swear to make their argument. Call me old fashion I guess). Keep up the good work.

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I'm posting this below the 2000 sat limit because I don't need you to read it on the pod but I know you read all of these and wanted to give a different perspective As a pilot, there are some outcomes that are so catastrophic that we build in lots and lots of mitigations so that we don’t EVER encounter them. An example is fuel. Running out of fuel increases the likelihood of a crash to nearly 100%. Meanwhile the actual incidence of fuel related crashes in commercial aviation is very close to 0. The fact that the incidence is close to 0 doesn’t mean we can safely remove fuel reserve requirements, or proper fuel planning processes. This is how I see the SPAM debate. There are some outcomes (e.g. illegal data in the chain) that are so bad that, even if we haven’t seen it yet, we have to build as many mitigations as possible. If the US government can prosecute the samourai developers despite Section 230, it’s hard to imagine that node operators that knowingly host illegal data would also be immune from prosecution as a way to attack Bitcoin. So we have to build in multiple layers of mitigation to prevent that catastrophe. With Core deciding to open up OP_RETURN to 100k bytes, they’ve taken away one of those mitigations. For me personally, best case scenario: OP_RETURN goes back to 83 bytes and the inscriptions bug gets fixed. Barring that, what is the next best mitigation in order to prevent the catastrophic result of illegal data on the chain? Certainly a soft fork is a far worse option. But it might be the next best option. Still I’d much rather that core come to their senses. If not, that more people run knots - or some other bitcoins that allows for filtering OP_RETURN. Only after both of those fail, would I like to see a soft fork. Because we can’t tolerate the catastrophic result of illegal data on chain.

Assuming the money printers are about to go in full blast and being wrong would void this whole argument. It will come eventually but you underestimate the pain needed to bring in agenda 2030 and it’s possibly not going to zero rate and infinity printing soon.

43:45 - the JFK speech you reference was about communism. People often misrepresent it as about the deep state or bank cartel. It isn’t about that, in context it’s 100% about communism. Can we not misrepresent this stuff please. BOOST!

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